Carbon challenged

[Carpdaddy]

I need to give you some shooting lessons Shadow, it would save you a lot of nocks, mine are safe as Mothers arms!

[Shadowhntr]

Lol...Kirk I really coudnt the way that one is layed out. The other targets in the same course were too far for me being 25+ yards. No happy medium at that range for some reason.

Id keep changing aiming points but it doesn't seem to matter. I'll aim 1.5 ft from other arrows, and STILL yank the shot and smack one somewhere. By far, Most of the arrows I split arent from shooting a tight group, its from making the same mistake twice, and those 2 might be a foot from the bullseye and they are often all alone.

But in any case....according to the big shots, they are claiming carbon collars keep shafts from splitting in these instances. They showed pics of one arrow stuck in the other arrows nock, and at least are claiming the collar saved the shaft. Its hard for me to buy into that, knowing what usually happens. ... anyone have experience with the collars, or them saving shafts?

[Captainkirk]

No, but I have experience with CF composites and can tell you that many archers are shooting carbon arrows that should be condemned. They usually don't realize it until an arrow explodes on release. With wood or aluminum you can usually see or hear the damage after it happens. Carbon can be a ticking time bomb in that the defects are very hard to detect without a thorough inspection...and most of us figure if it looks good it will shoot good. Not. Few archers take the time required after an arrow hit or ground/object strike to adequately inspect an arrow in my opinion.

[Shadowhntr]

Well I got 6 of 12 carbons cut, and collars epoxy in place on both ends. I decided to epoxy the insert/adapters in place, but will hot glue my heads on the tapers..... so I will finish the epoxy job on that tomorrow.

Its amazing to me, how a 5.4 gr nock collar can take a 30% FOC , down to a 20% FOC. They both are hitting where im aiming/looking however. I'll have 6 target arrows at a lower FOC, but my 6 hunters will be 30% foc with 405gr end weight, using a Tuffhead. Total arrow weight is 695 on hunters, and a smidge over 700gr on target arrows.(the extra from nock collars) The Whip is loving them. These dudes are dialed in really well....cant wait to start shooting them together. Im thinking I wont be too embarrassed of my shooting so I can shoot up top with folks around....plus Im thinking I will go to the trad shoot/event at Pleasanton Ks known as the "Snowden" shoot in April. My first shoot of this type ever. I know, im a hermit....

[Carpdaddy]

Hey Jason; have you played with the 600 spine arrows any more? I am playing with some 600 and 500 spine both, not content just yet. I added some weight tubes to the 600 that puts them over 10 GPI and my 500 spine are already 13 GPI. Good for a heavier arrow but hurts foc. Just wondering where you are now with your carbons, I know you constantly tinker also like I do.

[Shadowhntr]

I have messed around and got a 600 to tune for my Toelke. However, it shoots weak enough, I have to go with a very light head and set up. I think its 29" long, with a 125gr head. Its only 390gr total....to say its like a bolt of lightning is fairly accurate....that thing SCOOTS!

[Carpdaddy]

I have been shooting a 600 and 500 spine today, three different times actually. On my 500 spine heavy hunter hunting arrows I was shooting a 29" & 30" arrow with 300 grain up front with a total weight just under 700 grains. On my 600 spine gold tips which are only 7.8 grains per inch I inserted weight tubes which adds 3 grains per inch. Then I tipped them with a 50 grain insert and a 200 grain point, total weight of 650 grains. Some don't have the 50 grain inserts and weigh 600 grains. Foc on 500's is 20%, on 600's with tubes going full length I can only get 18%. I shall continue to change and tinker I'm sure! Yep; you will also Jason.